Episode 360: 5 Photography Styling Tips, Plus How To Find Your Own Unique Visual Identity with Kimberly Espinel

EBT360 – Kimberly Espinel

Kimberly Espinel: Hi, this is Kimberly Espel from Eat Capture Share, and you are listening to the Eat Blog Talk podcast. 

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Megan Porta: Hey food bloggers. Welcome to Eat Blog Talk, the podcast for food bloggers looking for the value and confidence that will move the needle forward in their businesses. This episode is sponsored by RankIQ. I am your host, Megan Porta, and you are listening to episode number 360. I have Kimberly Espinel with me today. She is going to talk to us about five photography styling tips, plus how to find your own unique visual identity. Kimberly Espinel is an award-winning food photographer, bestselling author, educator, and creative business mentor. She runs a thriving food photography business and has created content for many beautiful brands, including Sony, KitchenAid, Otto Langue, and more. In her podcast, Eat, Capture, Kimberly focuses on empowering food bloggers, food photographers, and food content creators to develop their skills, find their unique style, grow their audience online, and build the creative business of their dreams. Kimberly, it is such a pleasure to have you here today. How are you doing? 

Kimberly Espinel: I’m well. Thank you so much for having me. I’m very excited for our chat today. 

Megan Porta: Me too. Before we dig into your amazing photography styling value that you have to share with us, we wanna hear if you have a fun fact to share. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yes, so I’m a really avid yoga practitioner. I’ve been practicing for, I think, 15 years now or something, and my most fun fact is that the handstand is my most favorite yoga posture ever. 

Megan Porta: Oh, I love that. 15 years. That’s a long time. So it must be just like built into your daily life and your routine. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yes and no. It’s kinda like marriage. You have to wake up every day and be, make a renewed commitment to it.

Megan Porta: Be intentional about it. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yes. That’s really how. 

Megan Porta: Oh, that’s so cool. Thank you for sharing that. So you are here to share about styling tips, photography tips, and how to capture a visual identity, which I think is a really important element of food blogging. Would you mind starting with your background? Just tell us a little bit about how you got into food photography and styling?

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah, so my journey was a little bit long winded as it were, but I started because I gave birth to my son. I was a social worker. I worked in adoption for many years, and then when I gave birth to my son, it really threw everything on its head. Just like a nine to five doesn’t really feel right anymore. I’d love to do something that I can do from the comfort of my own home and not my own schedule and that kinda thing. So I actually decided to retrain as a nutritional therapist. In doing so, I had this kind aha moment. I was like, okay, so now I’m studying this for three years and then when I graduate, how I gonna find clients? No one’s gonna know who I am. So with that, I decided to start a food blog. I’d never owned a camera. I didn’t know what a DSLR even was, what it stood for. But when I picked up the camera to photograph my very first recipe, something just awoke in me. I was like, oh my God, like this is it. This is what brings me joy. This is what I loved. So I completed my course, but by the time I finished, I was knee deep into the food blogging world, into the photography world. I never actually practiced as a nutritional therapist. And thank goodness, by the time I graduated I was already earning a good income from my blog and that kind of thing. So that’s really how it all started. 

Megan Porta: That’s so cool. I love that you said when you picked up the camera, you just knew something switched. I think that there are elements of food blogging that all of us feel that about, just whether it’s photography or video or writing or whatever, but you just knew. So how quickly did your food photography journey evolve? 

Kimberly Espinel: Can I just say one more thing about what you just said? Because I think this is such an important point. I think about this a lot, right? From adoption social workers, suddenly I’m doing this other thing. But I think what it is that I really believe that we’re all creative beings. We were all put on this earth to create something like, it’s innate in us. That’s how we got to evolve the way that we have. I think once we tap into that, be it through cooking, through writing, photography, video, it’s like it speaks to us really deep in our core. That’s why I also think when people start pottery classes or salsa classes, it’s that creative element that really reawakens, so to say. But as for my food photography journey, what was really interesting is with the food blog, people were interested in my recipes, but the questions. Also when I looked at my blog stats, the content that resonated the most was always around food photography and styling. So it’s just ok, wait a minute. So if I write about food photography, I get 10,000 monthly blog hits . And if I write about a cake recipe, it’s more like 2000. So then I really leaned into that. Yeah, I got people asking me to teach them, and I also got work as a food stylist and as a photographer, much more so than I did in my role as a food barber. So that’s how that all took that turn as it were. 

Megan Porta: Oh, that’s amazing. I love that too, that you mentioned creativity. Yes. We are all creative and it’s so magic when we tap into those things that just speak to us individually. So just being aware of that and then when you hear that call to follow it, I think that’s a really important piece of food blogging as well. Okay. So you have five tips to help photographers and bloggers find their style. Would you mind talking through those? 

Kimberly Espinel: Yes, of course. So I often get this question like, how do I find my style? How do I stand out? I think a lot of food bloggers and photographers think it’s one thing that’s going to make their images and their recipes look totally different. But I think it’s actually like accumulation of lots of little things. The first one, I would say is about how you work with light and shadow. So it’s not just about understanding how light and shadow works, but it’s thinking about whether you like a lot of contrast in your light and shadow. Whether you like to flatten your images by using, say, bounce boards. Whether you use artificial light, natural light, what direction the light comes at. So back light, sidelight, all those little nuances is, especially in photography, really how you start building your signature look. So for me, for example, I love working with backlight. I love working with natural light, and I love quite a lot of drama. So really deep, rich shadows. So that’s really part of what creates my look. So that would be my tip number one is to think about how you work with line and shadow and to understand if you are using reflectors and bounce boards, what exactly you’re doing with your light and how that’s shaping your style and your look. 

The second one is color theory, and I think when we start as photographers, there’s so much to wrap our heads around, and especially also as food bloggers. We have to create recipes and figure out Pinterest , and SEO and there’s so much. So I think color theory is often one that gets left by the wayside. But actually, if you want to create something that’s different and unique and uniquely yours, you really need to understand how you work with color. That consists of lots of different parts . So the first one is what color temperature are you? Do you love those cooler tones? Do you love warmer tones? Have you not looked at that at all? Are you all over the shop with that? So that would be the first piece of color theory. The second one is how you combine colors. The truth is, I think without realizing it, we gravitate towards a certain way of combining colors. So for me, I love working with analogous colors. That’s just me. but I think, again, sometimes people just throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. Rather than being really intentional about how I am gonna combine the colors. I’m gonna choose my props, my backdrops, that kinda thing, to really create a color look of my own. Then also see if there’s a color that tends to dominate in your work. And if not, is there a way that you can start working towards having a color that defines you or a set of colors that really define you? A little side note. I know we’ll get to this later, but I think one mistake perhaps a lot of food bloggers make, is that they think that creating a color look means shooting just on white or white marble or gray. Just doing that when actually it really limits your understanding, your ability to play with color and your ability to create a look all your own and stand out because the white backdrop is the easy option, and so many people are doing that, so it’s really hard with that look to stand out.

 Then the third one is editing. You know what I notice again, especially food bloggers and food photographers just starting out, they try a lot of different things. So they go into Lightroom and they’re like, I think I’m gonna move here. I’m gonna move this here and see what works. When, like everything I’ve mentioned before, you know all of those things take a lot of thought. Then what’s really important is to start recognizing patterns in yourself and then see perhaps that if there’s something that you’re always doing, to capture that in your very own preset. You can buy a preset and then reach it to your own liking and style. But that editing part is really where your look completely and totally comes together.

Megan Porta: I was just gonna ask you about that. So do you have presets that you use pretty standardly throughout all of your editing process, or do you create new presets as you go? No. So I have maybe, which I also sell by the way.

Kimberly Espinel: So if anyone’s needing food photography, presets, you know where to look, but I have a handful, so some that I use for my dark and moody images, maybe about five, and then equally five for my lighter shots. And then what I do is that I have certain settings within my presets that are always consistent. So one of those, for example, a key color for me because I’m a plant-based food blogger, is green. My green is really a key color in my photography, in my brands and all I do so the way I edit greens is pretty much consistent through all my presets. So even though I might throw on something different, like that color, the way I work with that color is always the same. So it means that if people see my photo and it contains green, they’ll instantly know that it’s me. So that would be my recommendation to not go wild and have 30 presets and totally confuse yourself and have a core set and have some consistency within that. Then, I think sometimes what people think is you pop on a preset and you’re off to the races. But actually the preset is just the beginning and it does the heavy lifting and then you go into fine tune with your brush. You just pull out. There’s things like temperature, especially if you’re working with natural light that you know, you cannot have that consistent in the preset because the light’s constantly changing so you have to adjust that. Just fine tune everything. 

Megan Porta: I love that. That’s such a great answer. I love what you said about presets doing the heavy lifting. I think that we can rely on that just to do the necessities and then we can tweak as we need. And then can we back up? I just have one question about color theory before you move on to your fourth point. So if we do have colors that we gravitate toward, like I do have this set of colors I tend to pull off my prop shelf and my place mats. Do you feel like we should stick to those or do you feel like it’s okay to branch out? Oh gosh, I always use this purple. I should maybe start using something else, or do we just go to what we gravitate toward? 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah. So I think we don’t wanna become a slave to our style. We don’t wanna pigeonhole ourselves, and we need to give ourselves the space to evolve. But if you know that purple plate just feels like coming home, , then what you can start doing as you grow in your food photography business, in your food blogging business is look for plates that are in a similar color family, so maybe a lighter shade, a different shape maybe with borders or something that’s adjacent to that purple, like a dark pink, or do you know what I mean? So that you are still staying true to the essence, the thing that you’re moving towards, but fanning out a little bit. You know what I mean? Like expanding. I also, I think it’s also okay to get a little tired of a certain look and move slightly away from it and explore and then see if through your editing, for example, or through your color combining, you can still keep that, whatever makes Megan, to have that red thread pull through your images even as you move away from that purple. makes sense?

Megan Porta: Yes. I absolutely love that answer. So not going completely opposite of what you’re used to, but just veering a little bit. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah. Yeah. 

Megan Porta: Okay. So what is your fourth tip? 

Kimberly Espinel: My fourth and fifth one I’m gonna pull together if I may. So I think, again, I don’t know quite where your listeners sit if they’re beginners or really further along in their journey. But what I notice is when we first start on our food photography journey, we’re all about what camera should I buy? What artificial light do I need? How do these camera settings work? I think we get really stuck in almost that technique. The thing is with the technical, there’s one answer, right? If I want an exposure triangle to be perfect, I’ve got three things to play with until it’s right and that is pretty much it. It’s a finite number of options. So it feels, I think, quite safe to untangle that technical part. Then what happens is we kinda lose sight of the much bigger piece, which is the creative side, which is around food styling and composition. Unlike our camera settings, unlike what camera we’re gonna buy, what lens we’re gonna purchase, the food styling, there’s an infinite number of options. That’s I think where a lot of bloggers let themselves down. Not just that where, especially if your blog is very, very niche. You have a gluten-free baking blog or something like that where you are creating and food styling and composing everything always pretty much the same. Versus expanding your food styling and composition skills. But being able to do that and being more versatile will also mean that when you come back to what is your style and what you do, you’re going to be able to just create a look that’s a little bit more unique versus the cookie stack, that everybody does with the milk glass next to it, right? Like you want to have explored food styling and composition a little bit wider to bring whatever you’ve learned from that process back to your cookie stack and think outside the box. Does that make sense? 

Megan Porta: Yes. That makes sense. I feel like that’s top level, right? So like the other ones are really straightforward, but that one’s like you. I need to process that one a little bit, but Yeah. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah. So I think what we don’t wanna do with our food style and composition is get stuck in our comfort zone, right? Always fall back on the same thing, because the same thing is what probably everybody else is doing, right? We want to create something that’s a little bit more special . The way we do that is by not just doing the cookie stack, but also other types of food styling, taking what we’ve learned from that and bringing that to the cookie stack, to look at that from a different angle in a different way.

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Megan Porta: So can you talk through an example, if you were looking at a photo of the cookie stack, for example, how would you look around that to make it more unique? Would you pull out a few certain elements and try to change that up? Change colors? What would you do exactly with the cookie stack to make it you? 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah, like I would for example, see, do I even want to do the cookie stack or is there a different way for me to photograph that because it’s been done. So it’s so hard to do that differently. I probably look at maybe layering my photos, so maybe having something in the foreground that’s a little bit blurred, and then having my cookie stack and something in the background and maybe doing something cheeky with my milk glass, like having a splash in it, capturing that. So something a little bit different. When my image pops up on Pinterest next to all the other cookie stacks, it just looks like there’s more of a story. There’s more attention to detail. There is something, there’s something more exciting about it.

Megan Porta: More of a story. I think that’s where it comes down to, right? You wanna create a story with your styling, and when you just throw a stack up that you’re not necessarily thinking through, there may not be a story related to it. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yes. I also think about how you compose that shot. So when we have our cookie stack and say the milk glass, is there anything else that we can do in terms of our composition that would make it more interesting? Like having, I don’t know you know how you can put flowers or something like that in the foreground, and then it’s a little bit blurred and then it’s like you’re looking through it and you see the cookies, that kinda thing. So yeah, just being a little bit more creative with our, with the way we style and compose it. 

Megan Porta: You said the word detail earlier and I think that’s an important piece of it too. Just taking the time to be more detailed about the way you style your scene and your story. 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. While still keeping the focus on the beautiful recipe that you’ve created. So it’s not easy, but I think that’s where you stand out. That’s where you create your look. That’s where you become unique . 

Megan Porta: How much time do you recommend spending on this? Because I can go for a long time. If I’m like, okay, I’m gonna make this the perfect styled scene. I can lose myself in my day. So do we give ourselves a time limit? How do you recommend going about that?

Kimberly Espinel: So I think it’s really individual. If you know you have to pass through your recipes in a day, then you know, then maybe that’s not possible. But if you don’t post five times a week or something like that and you have more space to be creative, then I would say go for it. Also, sometimes, I think it’s really lovely to do something like a photography course or photography retreat or something that takes you away where you’re not under time pressure or you don’t have to finish that shot before the kids come home or something like that, where you just don’t have that mental space. Sometimes we can only do that outside of our little studio and our mind and and where we’re in a space where we’re allowed to let our creativity shine. 

Megan Porta: Yeah. That is such a great recommendation. Just finding a really good retreat and there are quite a few of those. I think more and more of those pop up with each passing year. So just find something that would get you out of your home so you don’t have the kids and the messy kitchen to worry about. 

Kimberly Espinel: Exactly. Exactly. 

Megan Porta: Okay. Were there any other things you wanted to mention about those five tips?

Kimberly Espinel: I have to say, I think if those five, if you work on each of them, you will see a difference in your photography and you will give yourself the space to fine tune your unique style and look for Sure.

Megan Porta: Okay, cool. So what mistake should we avoid as we are getting into learning food photography? 

Kimberly Espinel: So I think it’s wonderful to use Pinterest and Instagram and whatever, TikTok as a source of inspiration, especially when we’re first starting out. But I think two things- one is when we’re constantly in this digital world, it’s like we don’t really give ourselves enough space in our creativity enough space to kinda be. It’s a constant bombardment of content and then comparison sets in and all those things. So I think it’s really good to also find sources of inspiration that don’t involve the screen. That’s number one. I think the other, if I may give two, the other one, is I think, it’s wonderful to see a photo because that’s how I started, right? I see a photo, I’m like, oh my God, I love that. I wanna try and do something exactly like it. Then, step by step we copy the other person. I think it is a very normal part of the creative process, especially if you’re starting something completely new. But there also has to come a time you kinda cut the umbilical cord, so to say and move away from what other people are doing to really delve deeper into your very own style. I think that means rather than looking out, it means looking in and spending time like you were just describing with say, the cookie stack, where really for an hour or so, you are just in the moment doing your own thing without referring back to that shot on Instagram. So those are my two tips. One is just moving away from screens and not relying on it solely as your source of inspiration. And two, moving from copying to really creating something uniquely for us. 

Megan Porta: There is such a balance there though, because I’m often inspired by other people’s amazing, creative, beautiful photos. So if I have one of those photos in my mind, and I want to recreate it. What do you recommend? Just rewriting it or erasing it from my mind and rewriting the whole scene? It’s such a hard balance. 

Kimberly Espinel: I feel like it’s such a hard balance, and I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I did a podcast episode about copycats. It is, I think, in my top five of most listened to oh episodes and also the one that got the most response because people feel really, so some people feel, and I’m kinda in that camp a little bit where nothing is unique. Like everything has a source from somewhere and then other people feel like actually if you copy something, you need to credit your source. The truth is, many of us are inspired by lots of different people. So what I would say is I do think credit is amazing. I also think what’s really helpful is if you aren’t inspired just by one or two creatives, but really expand the type of content we’re consuming so that you don’t fall into it. I also think we’re all a community. Like we, we are all in this together. If somebody copies me, I always think it’s flattering. I think it’s wonderful. So maybe we’re a little bit precious about it, but I think yeah, the best thing to do is to credit your source where you can And to just watch yourself to make sure that it is a very fine line, that you stay on the right side of that line.

Megan Porta: Sometimes, I know I’ve done this, especially when I was first starting food blogging and photography. Sometimes I would maybe mimic a style of somebody else’s but not even know I was doing it because I just loved it. So then I would start, oh, I really like how they did the lighting, or, I really liked that pop of color in the background. So many blurring lines there. Yes. Because it is my own unique take on the scene. 

Kimberly Espinel: I do think like a core thing is, I’m just gonna use Instagram cause that’s the platform I know the best and I spend the most time on. But what I try to do is I try to follow lots of different creatives who have very different styles to my own. Then there will be say, a light set up where I’m like, oh my God, that was so cool. Then I saw someone else. Colors in a really funky way. I’m like, oh my God, what if I put those two things together? Then combine it with my greens and my editing style and my way of food styling to mash it up into something totally different. I think that’s my way of trying to avoid copying too much as it were, like giving everything a little spin. 

Megan Porta: Why do you think it matters that we each do find our own style?

Kimberly Espinel: I think it matters because it makes us more, it makes it more interesting for brands to work with us, and I’m also speaking now as a food photographer, right? So I think when we have our own look, it makes us more desirable to hire, but we can command higher feeds as food photographers as well. If we have a look that’s distinct and unique and different. I think also, we want to stand out. Let’s be real. The food blogging space is crowded. There’s so many food blogs, there’s so many recipes. We want to have a way of standing out from the crowd and having your unique style is the best way to achieve that.

Megan Porta: What are a few elements that can make us stand out to have our own unique style? So I can think of the lighting, colors we mentioned. Maybe like the way that you blurred the foreground or background. What are some other things that I’m not thinking about? 

Kimberly Espinel: Yeah, for sure. The way that you work with your camera and things like that. Although I would argue that hopefully you are versatile, so you’re not only doing flat lays or not only shooting at 1.8, where the blurry background, like hopefully your portfolio and your blog has lots of those kinds of different shots in it to keep it fresh and exciting and interesting for viewers to see. But I really think if I had to, out of all the five that I mentioned, kinda nail it down to one, I think color theory and the way you work with colors, that’s going to be a core, core element of standing out. Of course your recipes as well. How you create dishes, how you come up with your recipes, how that is different, unique, special, better, quicker, like all those things that also translates into a photo and translates into something that’s different and unique. We all have our most favorite food lovers that we go to, not just because their photography is inspiring, but because their recipes work. We love the taste and it’s just something about their recipe that’s different and better. So I think that’s also a really essential part.

Megan Porta: How things are plated too, right? So how food appears on the plate can be part of the style as well, don’t you think? 

Kimberly Espinel: Totally. Yeah. That’s the food styling that I mentioned before. For sure. 

Megan Porta: Someone I had on the podcast. A long time ago, a couple years ago, she was a food photographer, and I just remember her talking about color theory and how she liked to go on the color wheel and choose opposite colors, which I thought was brilliant. I never think to do that. But after she mentioned it, I started doing that and oh my gosh. It’s amazing how my photography just started popping because those colors really do compliment each other. So I thought that was a really fun little tip. 

Kimberly Espinel: Do you know what’s really interesting? So that’s not how I remember I was saying that for me, I really work with analogous colors, which are the colors that are next to each other. Because I find it very soothing and very calming and very elegant. So when you work with opposite colors, the way you describe complementary colors, the reason it really pops is twofold. One is you’re working with a color on the warm side of the color wheel and on the cool side of the color wheel. By doing that, you’re introducing an extra layer of contrast into your images. So that’s why, you know, people who color combined like that, their images are really poppy, they really stand out. They are really bright because you have these two opposing colors because they’re warm and cool, they bring in all this added contrast that you don’t get if you work with complimentary colors or analogous colors. Yeah that’s kinda why. 

Megan Porta:Yeah. So interesting that people gravitate toward different color combos and where they are located on the color wheel. But I would have to say probably most of us don’t think about the color wheel. We just are gravitating towards something we prefer and don’t consider that there is a color wheel. I don’t know. We have a style like you do. Okay. What are some things, Kimberly, that you think can hold us back from finding our style? So you mentioned screens, looking too much for just inspiration elsewhere. What else? 

Kimberly Espinel:I also think, and this might sound really weird, but I also think there’s an element of fear. So where we see someone do something like, again, I’m gonna use the marble backdrop as an example, because it’s so popular and so it feels very safe and secure to do that as well, because if everyone’s doing it, then it’s gotta be okay versus actually listening to how we genuinely, fully wanna express ourselves creatively. It’s a little scary to do something that’s different from what everybody else is doing. But I think that’s another thing, like fear, self doubt, those kinda things also really holds us back. 

Megan Porta:That is something that can apply across the board to pretty much everything in our world. Not just photography.

Kimberly Espinel:A hundred percent.

Megan Porta:Yeah. That fear can be a killer of our creativity and our business and so many things. So I’m glad that you mentioned that. Is there anything we’ve forgotten that you think is important for people just looking to hone in on their style and their visual identity? 

Kimberly Espinel:The only thing I’d like to maybe point out is that one of the things I didn’t mention is anything to do with how good your camera is, or how many lenses you got or how much money you spent on lighting. I don’t think any of those things are in any way important. Of course it helps if you’ve got the latest state of the art camera. Of course it helps if you have beautiful lenses, but they’re not what’s going to allow you to stand out and set yourself apart from everybody else. So I just wanted to stress that.

Megan Porta:Oh, great point to make, because. I think we can all get to the point where we feel like, oh, I need better, I need to upgrade. I need a better lens. But camera phones are so good these days.

Kimberly Espinel:Shockingly, yes. 

Megan Porta:Yeah. Shockingly good. I have this little tiny lens that costs me under a hundred dollars, even five, seven years ago. It is an amazing lens. Nobody would ever know that it was so affordable. So just get started with what you have, right? 

Kimberly Espinel:Exactly. A hundred percent. 

Megan Porta:So good to hear that from you, from someone who really has an eye for photography. So thank you, Kimberly. This was so fun. What a great chat today. I think this is super valuable information. 

Kimberly Espinel:Thank you so much Megan. I hope it was, and really appreciate you having me on the show. 

Megan Porta:Oh my gosh, so great. Do you have either a favorite quote, Kimberly, or words of inspiration to leave us with today? 

Kimberly Espinel:Yes. I would say this is the one I say to myself and it helps me. So I hope it helps your listeners too. And it is, you are stronger than you think . 

Megan Porta:Ooh. Short and powerful, right? Oh, love that. We’re gonna put together show notes for you, Kimberly. So if anyone wants to go look at those, you can go to eat blog talk.com/eatcaptureshare. Kimberly, tell everyone where they can find you. Mention your blog, your podcast, and anywhere else you want people to go. 

Kimberly Espinel:Yes. So if you want to dig deeper into food photography and really nail your very own food photography style, what I would recommend is to get a copy of my book called Creative Food Photography. You can find me on Instagram where I am the Little Plantation, which is also the name of my blog. And then you can tune into my podcast, which is Eat Capture share, a podcast for food lovers.

Megan Porta:Everyone go check out all of those things Kimberly mentioned. Thanks again, Kimberly, for your time today, and thank you so much for listening today, food bloggers. I will see you in the next episode. 

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